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		<title>2009-2012 Code of Points</title>
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		<pubDate>2008-11-05T12:02:25 -07.00</pubDate> 
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		<description><![CDATA[ I am sure alomost everyone has the latest code of points but in case you missed it, you can download it at:<br /><br /><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sportcentric.com/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,5187-188050-205272-nav-list,00.html">http://www.sportcentric.com/vs...5272-nav-list,00.html</a><br /><br />This is the code that will be used for the FIG Intercontinental Course. ]]></description>
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		<title>The 2009-2012 Code of Points is being finalized</title>
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		<pubDate>2008-06-03T14:36:02 -07.00</pubDate> 
		<dc:creator>RonBrant</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ If you want to see some of the changes being suggested then read the coachs internet cafe blog at <br /><br />www.coachsinternetcafe.wordpress.com ]]></description>
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		<title>Parallel Bar Bonus</title>
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		<pubDate>2008-03-28T09:52:59 -07.00</pubDate> 
		<dc:creator>domnastics</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Hey everyone, I prepared this little paper about implementing bonus on Parallel Bars. I would love to discuss this and see what you all have to say and if it's good or bad or what I have overlooked or whatever. <BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR><STRONG><U>Method For Awarding Bonus on Parallel Bars Under the Open Code Scoring System<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border="0">ffice<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border="0">ffice" /><o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></U></STRONG></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>By</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dominic DeCoux<o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></FONT></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Lack of parity in the scoring of the six events in men's artistic gymnastics is a well-known fact. Part of this is just a consequence of going with an "open" code, and part of this are the rules that the Technical Committee has in place that restrict some events. This has been well documented in a paper by Russ Fystrom called "Why the Six Events Need to Be Equal." Although Parallel Bars has more C and higher valued skills than any other event, there were only three scores over a 16.0 at the Aarhus World Championships. The purpose of this paper is to propose a method of awarding bonus for connected skills on Parallel Bars with the hopes of bringing up the scores and increasing the viewing pleasure of the event by encouraging risky connections (this is similar to the reasoning for awarding bonus on the Horizontal Bar). </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>The proposition for bonus is as follows: <BR>Connection will be awarded for all skills D + D, or E, or F, or vice versa as long as the skills are performed in direct connection. This includes a pause to demonstrate a handstand position (see Code of Points Part II Article 44 #3a). The award would be granted in this fashion:<BR>D + D = +0.1</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>D + E = +0.1</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>D + F = +0.2</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>E + E = +0.2</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>E + F = +0.3</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>F + F = +0.3</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Here are a few examples:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Healy  -  Gatson 1 = D + D = +0.1 bonus</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Peters to English handstand  -  Healy = no connection bonus because the Peters is required to show a 1 second handstand hold. </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Tucked Belle  -  Tucked Dimitrenko = E + E = +0.2 bonus </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Giant with Diamidov  -  Peach with 1/1 = no connection bonus because the Giant with Diamidov must show a finished handstand position (see Article 44 #3a). </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Also demonstrating this rule would be Peach  -  Tippelt = no connection because the Peach must show a finished handstand position. </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Healy  -  Urzica  -  Back uprise front salto piked to support = D + E + D = +0.1 between the Healy and the Urzica and +0.1 between the Urzica and the Back uprise front salto for a total of +0.2 bonus awarded for this combination.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>It is my hope that this rule would increase the viewing pleasure of this wonderful event that has the potential for so much creativity that is not utilized. One routine with excellent creativity is from Vasileios Tsolakidis at the 2006 World Championships (video can be found at </FONT><A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=AXRwdbV5s2s"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>http://youtube.com/watch?v=AXRwdbV5s2s</FONT></A><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>). He could have very well performed some of those skills in combination (for example Front uprise Makuts  -  Double front piked to upper arm = E + E = +0.2). An example of a very uncreative routine (with one exception), but one with lots of difficulty is Huang Xu from the 2007 World Championships (video can be found at </FONT><A href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=NHhLZ4VWe-A"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>http://youtube.com/watch?v=NHhLZ4VWe-A</FONT></A><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>). Count how many front uprises he does. It is an enjoyable routine because he does a lot of big tricks (however sloppy they were), but boring because of no connection. </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Thank you.</FONT></P> ]]></description>
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		<title>JO Exception</title>
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		<pubDate>2008-03-03T21:18:30 -07.00</pubDate> 
		<dc:creator>Dartnut88</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I was brainstorming recently as to how to make the 5 element groups more achievable or at least reached for by first year level 9's instead of just doing cookie cutter routines that score 11.5 and occasionally a 12. Rings was my recent problem and I would like to propose that a giant "through" handstand position (B value) be considered for the giant swing element group. By doing this I believe that we would be guiding our younger athletes in the right direction from a routine standpoint at an earlier age. I believe that there would be more athletes attempting the skill if there was no handstand requirement. The way that it could be judged would be by arm bend angle such as the regular giant just with no hold required. What do you guys think?

Dave ]]></description>
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		<title>How FIG scoring affects medal placement</title>
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		<pubDate>2008-02-25T11:39:23 -07.00</pubDate> 
		<dc:creator>owlgymcoach</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">How FIG scoring adjustments affect medal placement<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border="0">ffice<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border="0">ffice" /><o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></FONT></FONT></B></P>
<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>By Fred Turoff</FONT></H1>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>It amazes me that, in an age of computers and electronic scoring systems, the FIG has insisted in rounding off average scores that exceed three decimal places downward rather than keep the fourth place. For example, if the scores for a performance average 9.6875, the FIG says it is 9.687. This procedure came about when the FIG began using 6 judges and averaged the middle four to arrive at a final score. Three incidents of incorrect placement come to mind that show the flaw in this system.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>In 1991, Vitaly Scherbo placed 2<SUP>nd</SUP> on vault at theWorld Championships with a two-vault total of 19.399. The victor, Ok Youl You of South Korea, totaled 19.400. The averages of each performer's two vaults were: for Vitaly, 9.687 and 9.712, for Ok, 9.700 and 9.700. But Scherbo's true averages were 9.6875 and 9.7125, which add up to 19.400. However, since the FIG system insists on rounding down, Scherbo placed 2<SUP>nd</SUP> rather than tying for first.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>In 1999, Blaine Wilson placed 4<SUP>th</SUP> all-around to Jordan Jovchev at the World Championships. Blaine's a-a total was 57.211, while Jordan's was 57.212. Looking at the individual scores that each earned, we see several cases of rounding down:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Jordan  -  9.712, 9.600, 9.600, 9.450, 9.350, 9.500 = 57.212</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Blaine  -  9.600, 9,487, 9.325, 9.687, 9.612, 9.500 = 57.211</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Were the scores not rounded down, they would be:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Jordan  -  9.7125, 9.6000, 9.6000, 9.4500, 9.3500, 9.5000 = 57.2125</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Blaine  -  9.6000, 9.4875, 9.3250, 9.6875, 9.6125, 9.5000 = 57.2125</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Most recently, Chelsie Memmel won the 2005 World all-around title over Nastia Liukin by .001. If one considers the scores added together to get each a-a-total, we again see where rounding-down breaks the tie:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Chelsie  -  9.325, 9.537, 9.425, 9.537 = 37.824</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Nastia  - <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>9.137, 9.587, 9.587, 9.512 = 37.823</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>If rounding down were not used, they would have tied for the all-around title:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Chelsie  -  9.3250, 9.5375, 9.4250, 9.5375 = 37.8250</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Nastia  - <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>9.1375, 9.5875, 9.5875, 9.5125 = 37.8250</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></o<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>The point of this is that several athletes have been denied rightful placement in the mentioned competitions because of an FIG policy that could be easily corrected. Why the arbitrary policy of rounding-down was adopted, I don't know. But it has affected several athletes unfairly.</FONT></P> ]]></description>
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		<title>2009-2012 FIG Code of points</title>
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		<pubDate>2007-09-21T12:10:52 -07.00</pubDate> 
		<dc:creator>RonBrant</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ 2009-2012 FIG Code of Points<br />                                                      Open Forum<br /><br />The FIG symposium concerning the 2009-2012 FIG Code of Points outlined the ideas future direction of the code. This was presented by Bruno Grande and Andrian Stoica, who asked for the input of the coaching community world wide. Here is a brief overview of the topics presented. <br /><br />With the leadership of the FIG requesting input from the coaching community, one approach would be to have two coaches from the top 12 teams from the 2007 World Championships be invited to sit down and discuss the future of men's and women's gymnastics.  <br /><br />Overview<br />Goals of the Code:<br />.	The code is to cover the beginner to the elite gymnast<br />.	The code is to prolong an athlete's career<br />.	It is a measurement of performance<br />.	A method that directs the coach and athlete<br />.	A way to guide the sport<br />.	It is to maintain artistry <br /><br />New Ideas for the Code:<br />.	A balanced code is needed (equal number of skills on each event) <br />.	A-Panel now is the dominate part being used<br />.	Possibility of limiting the skills that can be performed<br />.	Possible higher deductions for skills that are not completed<br />.	Rearrange the difficulty tables<br />.	Need for more options in routine construction<br /><br />Judging Side:<br />.	Accounting vs. Judging issue (right now it is more accounting)<br />.	There are too many steps to obtain the final score (A-Panel)<br />.	Competitions are too long<br />.	Possibility of bringing virtuosity back<br />.	Need to improve the teaching system for judges (better education)<br />.	Possibility of a World Judges Pool<br /><br />Coaching Side:<br />.	There is a need to have the coach and gymnast contribute to the new code (is this just talk)<br /><br /><i><b>Thoughts and Things to Consider:</b></i><br /><br />.Is there a need to keep the chronological order rule?<br />.The difficulty tables not only need to be equal in number of skills per event but, it has to be equal in potential difficulty. This is really true as it relates to the number of D,E and F skills on each event.<br />.Should one apparatus be worth more than another? At present, vault is worth more than pommel horse for example.<br />.Should the B-Panel have no accountability? There is no inquiry here.<br />.Should the FIG Technical Committee have no accountability? At present, the competition is being controlled by the committee and not the judges on the floor.<br />.Has video review now taken over the competition? Are the judges on the floor needed?<br />.Once a rule is in writing should the Technical Committee be able to ignore it and use their own interpretation at the World and/or Olympic Games?<br />.Is there a need to double the B-Panel deductions or is this just a way to use the available 10 points on the B-Panel side?<br />.In an open end code once one team pushes the limits of A-Panel then all other countries must follow. There is a need to fight to win and not just be third or lower. No country wants to concede defeat.<br />.The code should developed parity so the fight for first is an exciting part of the competition. ]]></description>
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